![]() He's a passionate defender of the so-called enhanced interrogation program. WHIPPLE: You know, Jose Rodriguez is an extraordinary character, as you can see. Tell us a little bit about this guy Rodriguez. In fact, by accepting prisoners, we actually became responsible for them - for their health, for them totally.ĭAVIES: And that was Jose Rodriguez in the film "The Spymasters," which was produced by our guests Chris Whipple and Jules Naudet. We get accused by human rights activists that we created these black sites in order to abuse people. JOSE RODRIGUEZ: The black sites were instrumental in helping us gain very invaluable information.ĬHRIS WHIPPLE: Some critics might say well, wait a minute, you wanted to be able to be abuse this guy. We'll hear him speaking, and we're also going to hear one of our guests, Chris Whipple, asking some questions. ![]() And he's talking here about the use of black sites, these bases outside the United States where detainees were taken for intense interrogation techniques. And I want to begin with a clip from Jose Rodriguez, who was director of National Clandestine Services during the George W. And they're an interesting part of the film. I wanted to begin by talking about the issue of torture, the enhanced interrogation techniques that were employed on detainees after 9/11 and during the war in Iraq, which presented such moral and legal questions and have been hotly debated. Well, Chris Whipple, Jules Naudet, welcome to FRESH AIR. Chris Whipple and Jules Naudet spoke with FRESH AIR contributor Dave Davies. "The Spymasters" is available on Showtime's streaming service and Showtime On Demand. Chris Whipple is a documentary filmmaker and former producer for "60 Minutes" and for ABC News. They happened to be filming firefighters in lower Manhattan when the first plane hit one of the towers. The Naudet brothers also directed the documentary "9/11" about the attack on the World Trade Center. Naudet and his brother Gedeon are the directors and executive producers of the film. Our guests today are Chris Whipple, the writer and executive producer of "The Spymasters" and Jules Naudet. Some former directors proudly defend the agency's controversial tactics others are highly critical. What makes the film unique is that it's based on lengthy interviews with all 12 living directors of the CIA. As concern about terrorist attacks in Western countries increases, a new Showtime documentary explores some of the most intensely debated issues concerning the CIA's role in the war on terror, including enhanced interrogation techniques used on detainees and lethal drone strikes.
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